Must Read Posts For All Mattress Shoppers

MR. COYLE REGRETS:  As many of my loyal readers know, I fell down twice this autumn seriously damaging my head, face, and hands. Much of my time since then has been taken up with  “minor procedures”, and doing physical therapy, while watching my physical injuries slowly heal.  The lack of progress never lets me forget that I was born in 1928.   I keep getting ahead of myself with promises to restore normal one-on-one personal mattress research for you.  Some of my days are better than others, but it is painfully obvious that I am no position to promise any kind time-sensitive virtual shopping, and may not be until at least the beginning of 2016.

The “Old Bed Guy” is only me, no assistants, no contractors, and when I work, it works.  As of now fewer than one in four surveys or letters are getting answered.  This is twice as good as a month ago, but only 100% is my goal.  If you have not yet received an answer to your survey, it is not likely that you soon will.

If you need to choose a mattress as soon as possible and the answers in this introductory lesson and the accompanying mattress 103 and 203  are not those you need, feel free to email me with any questions.  My energy levels still vary widely from day to day, and I can not guarantee any kind of speedy answer, but I will do my best. 

I am not going to tell you that it is ok to buy any scam mattress that looks so good on a website you think you have to have it.  There is no Santa Claus, or Easter Bunny, and if a mattress offer sounds too good to be true, it isn’t.

Please do your best to help yourself because the answers are really all there, and emailing me can often be frustrating for both you and me.  If your timing is right, you will get an answer within a day or so. No more promises.  Please read the whole article before you start typing. You will have a clear sense of what mattresses I like for people with your needs, and those that you should not buy…READ THIS FIRST

READ THIS NEXT:  MATTRESS 103- MUST KNOW MATTRESS FACTS BEFORE TAKING THE SURVEY. YOU NEED THE INFORMATION CONTAINED AND THE COPY OF THE FREE “ENTRY KEY” FOR SURVEY TAKERS. IF YOU ARE NOT TAKING THE SURVEY, YOU STILL IMPROVE YOUR CHANCE OF GETTING A DECENT MATTRESS FOR YOUR  BUDGET IF YOU READ THIS SHORT ESSAY.

Welcome to my Old Bed Guy Blog. I am the often-crabby little old bed guy.  I have been involved in the bed and bedding industry for over 60 years, and life in general, for more than 87 years. I have seen most, and if I hang around a bit longer, may get to see almost all.  I patiently and thoroughly shop the web, read trade papers, and on nice days, when I feel energized, my driver takes me on a route of many local retailers ranging from foreign imports, high-pressure sleazy chain sleep shops, high and higher priced department and furniture stores, and local Factory-Direct showrooms…READ MORE

MATTRESS 203:  READ LAST AND LEARN WHAT THE MATTRESS SELLERS DON’T WANT YOU TO KNOW. Inside information.  30 Minutes makes you an expert! (sort of)

My goal is to give useful payback to the mattress buying public.  Millions of nice customers that supported my family so well for so long and prepared me for a longer life than I had expected. You may believe that you know what you want, but I know what you need. I recommend makers and products that I believe in and often have hands-on experience with. There are around 600 companies that assemble  mattresses  from outside  purchased components.  Only a handful still remaining that actually make mattresses, “like the old days”.    My praise most frequently falls on the real manufacturers as they tend to make superior products…. READ MORE

2015 Mattress Ratings From Consumer Reports- Which Mattress is Best?

Tests and results from a reliable source… READ MORE

Secrets of a successful mattress shopper. Mattress Buying Short Cuts

Dear Mattress Seeker, For the past four years I have been personally  helping  any reader who asked,  to select their own perfect mattress.  The only requirement was that they provide me with answers about their life style, health, and special needs.   At the present time, age-related issues do not allow me the time to do so.  Possibly in the near future I can return to that time consuming and pleasurable task, but for now, you, except for all the information contained in this post, and the rest of the Old Bed Guy, you are on your own.  If you  go slowly and follow my suggestions, you will be a happy sleeper instead of a scam victim.   I collected the information in this post from thousands of  individual searches and sort of organized it so that a short reading  can get you started towards  a truly wise purchase… READ MORE

Trustworthy or Not? —Sleep Like The Dead, Consumer Reports , Mattress Underground

If nature abhors a vacuum, opportunists are always ready to make money by exploiting the fears to be found in the minds of almost all mattress shoppers.  And that is the message I am trying to impart in this post.   The mattress industry as a whole, has intentionally made it as hard as possible to comparison shop for a mattress.... READ MORE

Which Is Best: Platform Bed, Box Spring, or Foundation?

The simple answer is, “all of the above”, but there are rules. The accurate answer depends on the type of mattress that will go on top.  If you follow these simple rules you will get a lot more satisfaction from your new mattress and platform, foundation, or box-spring. A  box spring has a small number of…. READ MORE

Comments

  • Marshall Coyle says:

    Scott: I sent you a personal letter dealing with your interests. I am sharing this with other readers. No mattress maker can force you to purchase a matching foundation/box-spring to validate their warranty. Your responsibility is to provide a decent quality foundation with a strong flat top surface. I know of no foundations that can do the job well and last as long as or longer than the mattress. A good foundation has a top surface grid made of interlocking strong wire. This grid is supported by various shapes of wire formed to resist shock and to provide a tiny bit of resiliency. To my knowledge, one company, The Leggett and Platt Company in Carthage, Mo. manufactures and supplies all major makers with ready-to-cover foundation. L&P is a huge and “invisible” B to B supplier. They are global with most of the production import warehousing
    in strategically sited US factories to minimize shipping costs. It would be a challenge to identify mattress makers who still may make the innards of their own foundations or box springs. Beckley, Charles P. Rogers, Gold Bond, Shifman Brothers, and McCroskey are not the last standing complete makers, but I can not name any of the others.

    Leggett and Platt along with a major trade association recently added to the confusion by dropping most of the use of the word foundation. If the object under the mattress gets its support from formed steel in any configuration, it is now a box-spring. L&P supplies ready made coil box springs to almost all of the 600 mattress assemblers and some of the mattress makers.

    • P. Susan Nosko says:

      Dear Wonderful Old Bed Guy,

      Just so you know, when we bought our first Tempurpedic (April 2011), we were told if we didn’t buy their foundation it would void our warranty. What warranty? Their *25 Year Warranty* is a sham. They don’t stand behind it. A worthless warranty.

  • Marshall Coyle says:

    Peter, I think that the Sleep Science folding platform bed, as that is what it really is, has the potential to be a useful product. It is about twice as costly as the dozens of all steel similar platforms you can see if you visit Amazon or Walmart with a search term, “metal bed spring”. Some of them are now well under $100. All are imported from China. Not always a bad thing, just almost always. I like the ease of assembly on the Sleep Science. I would be more accepting of it if more detail was available on the net. There is a YouTube video of the assembly process. I sat through it several times hoping to see what kind of supports will hold up the very thin looking plywood. Cheap foundations, the kind that have no formed wire or grid top, only wood and cardboard inside, are all something to avoid. This new-ish import, if made well, could be used on any one sided mattress, not just memory foam. Slatted foundations are subject to the slats having no more than 2.5″ of airspace between them when supporting an innerspring mattress.

    I hope, for your sake, if you are getting a new mattress, that you are not experimenting with the super-cheap imports now being sold by Amazon and other large stores. Many have bogus labels claiming that they are American made. They are not. The glowing five star paid-for reviews are mainly made(written and placed) from India and Pakistan. The people who sell these mis-represented mattresses used to pay five dollars for five star reviews, but now, the same people who work the call centers in South Asia are coining cash writing reviews for as little as $1. You can go to http://www.fiverr.com and see how the process works. This has turned me off from believing any review that can not be verified. Most internet sites with customer reviews that are quite trustworthy are from sites that have real businesses. Real land addresses, real reputation. Macy’s or Penny’s and most other real stores only post reviews from people who have bought the product from them. The other ultra-phoney reviews are all over Yelp and Google.

    Marshall Coyle

  • Roger says:

    Hi Marshall,

    I wanted to see if it is true that a new mattress needs “breaking in” period.

    Do new mattresses really need time to break in? And if so, how long?
    If a new mattress is much harder than the one in the store, doesn’t that mean that it will continually soften over the life of the mattress?

    Thank you! – Roger

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Good new mattresses should not need breaking in. And if they do change characteristics very rapidly, over a period of a few weeks, this is not a good sign. Unfortunately, many of the largest mattress makers, upon the request of the store, will build special floor samples for display purposes. These can sit in the store for many months getting abused with hundreds or thousands of backsides plumping down and loosening up the interior. So the sample feels softer than when the bed is delivered. If this is the case, your mattress will break in, and continue to soften until time to replace.

      If you spend enough time reading the posts in the Old Bed Guy, you will learn how to buy a mattress with good springs and superior latex filling/padding. These wear out so imperceptibly that they often last at least fifteen or twenty years before wear is severe.

      • lisa l. says:

        Purchased the Power Estate 5000, and it is way too hard and nothing I put on top has changed that, including memory foam and extra talalay latex. I purchased on the assumption that it would feel like the mattress in the store in NYC. It feels like a wooden floor to me, and I want to know if you think the springs will have more “give” after some time being used. If not, I will quickly get rid of this mattress. I cannot break in the mattress with my orthopedically challenged body. I hope you publish this so that others like me will see it. I was not able to know how firm my mattress would feel because I trusted my own body, and was in the store at least 4x on the mattress at least a total of an hour. Thanks for any help.

        • Marshall Coyle says:

          Dear Lisa,
          I searched through my mattress surveys for half an hour trying to find yours. They are not searchable by name and it is a tedious process. If you are a lightweight with orthopedic problems, I might not have recommended the 5000, but or even a mattress from this company. Everything I do is fine tuned and I could not find where you submitted a survey. You trusted your own judgment over mine even though you were aware of the offer to evaluate your needs.

          I question, but without being judgmental, your reason for selecting the firmest mattress in the store. Consumer Reports heaps praise on it, as it deserves, but makes it plain that it is a firm mattress. I consider it a very firm mattress even though the maker seems to have softened it with typical annual improvements. Your letter is particularly disturbing because I visited the Rogers store only last week to take a “feel” of the brand new NANO versions, and also a refresher on the St.Regis and the current 5000, 7000, and 9000. It seemed to me that in the two years since we bought our 9000 Rogers, all three felt softer. Rogers, as do most mattress makers annually introduces new models and often makes changes in existing models. I noted that the St.Regis has absolutely been made softer. We slept on one for ten years before buying our #9000 and I know what our old one felt like.

          And then, despite all the advice available on the Old Bed Guy, and all the compassion you would have found had you called this caring company, you bought, of all things, memory foam to put on top of the naturally cool latex. Who knows what density the toppers you bought are? You could have actually made your mattress firmer with the wrong toppers, and if the memory foam you bought is not approved by CertiPur, you may have brought more problems into your orthopedically challenged life. Your story should give my readers who are still shopping, a really good reason for taking the mattress survey that is so freely offered on almost every page. We have now done several thousand and have had exactly “O” zero no complaints about the advice and over a thousand lovely “thank-you” letters.

          Now that I have been almost judgmental, and I am sorry if I only made you feel worse for your self-caused situation, you should return the toppers if you can, and buy a 2″ LATEX topper with an ILD of anywhere from 16-22 and not higher. This should make a major difference. As far as the springs becoming softer, they won’t for at least fifteen or twenty years, but the mattress will “break in” as the springs that are placed very tightly in layer and wrapped in technical special cloth do feel softer in a few months because the friction between the coils smooths out the cloth and permits easier movement up and down of the coils most frequently compressed directly under where you usually sleep. It is not much, but it is noticeable. Do not add to the mistakes you have made by discarding a beautifully made mattress that can be significantly softened if you only get the correct topper, something that you apparently did not. Remember ILD 16-22, and if you have trouble making a decision somewhere on the topper, send me an email. as I read them daily and the posts only occasionally.

  • George says:

    Good Day Sir,

    I am having a hard time finding a mattress that doesn’t feel as if it is trying to kill me when I wake every morning. I bought a CR membership, read through a ton of data, read about the testing & reviews & came away a little concerned about some of their “recommended” mattresses. Mostly because a found many complaints about sagging or lack of firmness on many of their higher rated items & alternatively, I found some low rated items, like mattresses from Saatva that seem to have nothing but positive reviews from CR’s very own members. I have tried many items from numerous retailers & am now considering some smaller local manufacturers like the Mattress Factory in Fort Worth Texas, not to be confused with the Original Mattress Factory, who seems t also have a lot of complaints from consumers to the BBB.

    At any rate, I am hoping you might be able to help me find something I can count on, constructed with solid engineering design & materials, that can enjoy for the next decade.

    So I am emailing you now, in the hope that I might finally get a decent nights sleep.

    Thanks for all your insight.

    Regards,

    George

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Check the new Consumer Reports 2015 and my posts on Saatva and some of your answers will appear. I do not know of any Texas mattress maker that resembles the Original Mattress Factory in quality, but I have heard of one with a similar name that apparently does not. Lower prices come with the lower quality.

  • Barb says:

    Hello,
    I love your website! Just wondering if it is necessary to buy the box spring when replacing a mattress when the current box spring is like new and will end up at the landfill-seems rather wasteful? Also am thinking of,in the near future, purchasing a platform bed which i believe does not require a boxspring. I am looking at the MARSHALL Rest Assured IV Essence Tight Top or the MARSHALL Rest Assured IV Verve Pillow Top but can’t decide which to purchase. Can you tell me about SOY foam as they both contain this product.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Barb.
      If your old box springs are real box springs, with real coils, and are not just a hard boxlike foundation, my answer is maybe. You are buying very expensive mattresses that are engineered to be used on a complementary flexible box spring. A good box spring does not normally outlast the mattress it is under. If you do own what once was a good box spring, one with resilient coils, you can tell by moving the mattress away and pushing down on it, sitting on it, pushing a knee into it. If when you push, it yields, you once had a good box spring, but it is more than likely worn out anyway. If you have no qualms about buying such a costly mattress, please buy the matching box spring.

      The soy is a completely other story. Usually bad, but far from always. If the foam comes from Carpenter or Hickory and has up to 30% soy, this is a good thing. I am running out of ways to tell my readers to be wary of most chemical foams. The word “soy” refers to a fabulous plant that can be made into food, plastics, truck tires, and even chemical based upholstery foams. I did not know that this venerable company is using these materials. My fault. I am NYC based and slipped on this. Should you want my freely offered virtual shopping experience. Send me answers to the seventeen questions I have posted all over the place. I will find you at least as good, that is not as easy as you think, probably better, and, if possible, padded only with clean and naturally cool latex. The easy part is getting you a much more reasonable price. I know that you appear to have asked me to decide between these two, but absent details about the person or persons who will be sleeping in it, I have no way to determine the appropriateness of either. I do know that if you buy from Marshall, you have to be prepared to spend, and not getting the matching box springs is a mistake, probably a costly one.

      I await an email at oldbedguy@gmail.com with all of the appropriate data to get me started virtual shopping for you.

  • C & T says:

    Spent much money five years ago on a Sears-O-Pedic and it sags and I’m sleeping on coils. The job of choosing a new mattress is overwhelming. My husband and I are in our fifties, work on our feet (12 hours shifts). We need firmish for him and pillowtopish (for side sleeper hurting hips – and everything else for me). We’ve narrowed down to Stearns & Foster Lily Rose Plush pillow top, Kingsdown Valentina- felt good for the price, Simmons Recharge, or I found one Shifman pillowtop flip in our price range. Help and thanks

  • Karen Frieze says:

    Md ear Mr Coyle,
    I just read your update Feb 5th which answered all my questions? I now have a new starting point thanks to you.

    I can’t thank you enough for all the valuable HONEST information you give with the your only interest if to HELP THE CONSUMER. Your information is invaluable.

    I can’t believe that I have been on the MARTRESS UNDERGROUND thinking he had the same motive of you.

    If anyone is looking at my comment , it is REAL. I have been turned, confused, misinformed for months and now I have the information and confidence to go out in the world and find my new MATRESS.

    Gratefully,

    KAREN F

  • scott says:

    Hello Old Bed Guy,

    First off thanks for all you do to help us get better beds at better prices.

    My question revolves around the Charles P Rogers Powercore estate line which I saw getting such a good rating. I see they make the 5000,7000, and 9000. I also already know that the higher the number comes with extra foam and gets softer. Every bed brand I have looked into seems to have a comfort scale of 1-10 which helps me determine softness. Do you have any idea where these 3 models would fit into a comfort scale of 1-10 ?

    Don’t want to get to firm or to soft but in speaking with Charles P Rogers they tell me the 9000 is the bestselling model of the line, so it can’t be that soft. My wife and I are both side sleepers and she prefers something firmer and I prefer something softer. Does softer equal more settling in the future ? Every bed we buy is great for 3-4 years and then not so much. We get body impressions on both sides of the bed first and then the comfort goes downhill real quick

    Thanks in advance

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Scott,
      There is no answer that I can supply about the firmness designations without lying as badly as the websites that use them. There is absolutely no science or language that can properly describe or compare firmness. One person’s soft is another person’s firm. It is all and only opinions. These 1-10 scales might sell mattresses, because they have the right look, but all they do is offer a crutch that is too long or too short for the person who needs it. A mattress expert, can read the specifications of a mattress and when they are complete and accurate will now exactly how it feels. He will also know how persons of different weights, ages, height, health, life style, and more, will be a fit for any knowable mattress.

      I answered an email today from someone who read my blog and picked up the phone and ordered from a nice store. In his email, which was not a complaint, but asking for help to make the situation better, he pointed out that he weighs three times as much as his wife. He likes their new bed, but she just floats on top not making a dent. I advised them to buy a super soft natural latex topper from Amazon and pay for overnight delivery. His wife deserves instant improvement. And even if the store they shopped at had had firmness designations, nothing would have changed.

      Your final sentence is very telling. “We get body impressions on both sides of the bed first and then the comfort goes downhill real quick”. It tells me that you have never had any latex, or a modern design one-sided mattress. Because you bought what I call “retro” mattresses that lasted 4-5 years, I am also close to positive that you underspent and/or bought in a small local shop. This may not make a whole lot of sense to you, but the mattress “mavens”that read this website will understand. Most small cities throughout the South and Appalachia as well as the Rust Belt have small local mattress factories that have never been financially able to upgrade their machinery, and thereby to make non-sagging mattresses that are so available elsewhere as spelled out in this site, also elsewhere.

      I do not want to name names here and make it even tougher for these hard working local makers. And, a handful of local factories like Gold Bond, Gardner, McCroskey and others, have been able to leave the twentieth century behind and now make good latex hybrids. People who own latex hybrids do not need to replace them every five years. I do not expect to live that long, but our 14 month old hybrid, will easily make it into its twenties if anyone is still using it.

      Many, actually most, softer synthetic foams are structurally weaker than firmer ones and you are quite correct. Nevertheless, the degree of softness in latex foam has no bearing on durability at all.

  • Buzz Coren says:

    Hello Marshall: We took your advice and visited Colton Mattress today, and bought both a king and full beds, different styles for different rooms, and await delivery in one week. Our experience dealing directly with the manufacturer gave us more confidence we were buying from a reputable source who backs up their merchandise. Hopefully we’ll be sleeping much better very soon and will get many good years out of these. Out of all the time I spent researching different possibilities the time spent reading your posts felt the most instructive and honest. Thanks for all this free counsel you’ve put out there to uneducated, bewildered and often gullible buyers, you’re a great guy.

    • Dear Buzz Coren,

      I always appreciate a meaningful thanks, but I do not want to take credit where it is not due. I did not recommend Colton mattress. I might have if I knew more about them, but their website has too little information about their products to for me to have any reason to recommend them. Not price, not quality, and not content. The site skirts around all of these issues. Praising oneself is not helpful, when I am dealing in real issues of comfort and support. There are numbers and descriptions found on websites that permit me to be confident when making a recommendation and these were not present when I visited the site on your behalf. I most certainly hope that you ordered wisely, and that they had the components needed. From their site, the photographs indicated superior skill in sewing a straight line, and that indicates a level of caring about the product, but there was not a single solitary comprehensive description or factual listing of the components or manufacturing techniques of any of them. This does not mean that they are one of the scam sites I rail about, the one’s with no land address and a history shorter than my last vacation, not at all. They appear to be a nice local company making or more accurately, assembling mattresses from parts purchased from jobbers or importers. They do not make any of their metal parts such as springs, and they are very limited to that which is easy and commonplace. Most of my recommendations go to innovators who actually make, not just assemble mattresses. The only assembler who gets a nod from me when due is the Original Mattress Factory when my correspondents are very financially challenged and price trumps all other needs, but still want something better than a Sams or an Amazon Chinese import.

      I apologize if I wrote so unclearly that you took an “I don’t know”, to mean otherwise. I also, had no data on your needs, as you chose not to reply to my questions, so with this purchase, you are on your own. I never substitute wishful thinking for real knowledge. It never has worked for me, but if it works for you, then, happy sleeping.
      Marshall

  • scott says:

    Marshall,
    Just wanted to update on what I ended up buying based a lot on what you have written on your site. I first determined what type/style mattress we would be most comfortable on and which would last the longest ( hopefully). I determined that a Latex hybrid would be the best for us. I then needed to determine who would make my hybrid. I settled on Charles P Rogers . Lucky for me the NJ factory is about 15 minutes from Me. I visited the factory/showroom 3 times before I was willing to give them my for a King Powercore estate 9000. The salesperson was very knowledgeable and not pushy at all. The factory is small and clean. Two things really stuck with me walking thru the factory. First was they were making springs on site. Second was the lack of chemical smell in the factory. There was no real odor despite the stacks of foam and mattress’s . No off gassing going on at all. I purchased the set and it was delivered today at the time agreed to. Can’t wait to get sleeping on it. It was a very good purchase experience and I think I got a really high quality mattress. Anything else with this quality would have cost $5000,00 or more and still wouldn’t be as good. I’m so glad I didn’t pull the trigger on a Savatta a few weeks back.
    Thank You !!!

  • Steve Chojnacki says:

    My wife and I are searching for a mattress for our 4 year old daughter. We purchased a loft bed, which per manufacturers specifications can accommodate up to an 8″ thick mattress, leaving approximately 5″ from the top of the mattress to the top of the rail. We would like to buy a quality mattress, but don’t recognize any of the brand names when searching for an 8″ thick (+/-) mattress. We’ve had our daughter lay on different mattresses, she indicated she likes a softer mattress (luxury firm / plush?). Unfortunately most mattresses which are 8″ thick are listed as being firm. If needed, we’d consider a mattress slightly thicker than 8″ (9″ to 9 1/2″) and incorporate other safety measures if meant we’d get a quality mattress that matches our daughters comfort preference. I am hoping you might be able to offer some suggestions or recommendations. Maybe we’re not looking in the right places? Thanks in advance.

    Steve

    • stefan K says:

      what is ILD or density of 40+?

      • Marshall Coyle says:

        Dear Stefan K, In re:ILD or density of 40+? ILD is an acronym for a standard test performed on foamed latex to determine how much pressure in pounds/feet will it take to compress the sample a specific amount, and/or how deep will a known size and weight test plunger sink into the sample. It is occasionally used to describe firmness, but as the words firm, soft, and similar, are completely subjective, using an ILD number to describe the “feel” of a piece of latex is subject to a whole lot of personal opinion. My personal opinion is that latex with a 40ILD should feel quite firm to most people. A slab of latex so described would require a companion innerspring unit as in a latex/innerspring hybrid to create a sleeping environment comfortable for most people. It could also be used with an expectation of success when supported by an old fashioned resilient coil box spring, but not quite as comfortably as in a hybrid with good pocketed coils.

  • Lou V says:

    Marshall,
    I just wanted to update you to tell you that thanks to Consumer Reports review of mattresses we took the plunge and purchased the Charles P Rogers King Powercore Estate 9000 mattress and boxspring. It was quite difficult to get over activation energy to buy an item of this cost without trying out the mattress but your input along with the CR review helped me to take the plunge. After receiving the mattress yesterday I am very pleased with the quality and difference between this mattress and the 3 year old mattress that it replaced. The previous mattress was not an inexpensive mattress but was already causing lower back aches every morning due to sagging.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Lou V,

      It has been a very long and featureless day. I was about to close up for the night, when I decided to check the incoming and noticed your letter of appreciation. I do what I do expecting no compensation other than the pleasure of being able to give back while I still can. Not expecting is not the same as not wanting. When I was in business my report card always had dollar signs. Now that I am in a money neutral situation, getting a thank you for my labors is the kind of report card and compensation that I value most. When I realize that the thousands of words I have agonized over and edited and re-edited have, at least in your case, did make difference. It is possible that age-related issues will force me to retire from this full-time retirement, but when I get such nice compliments, I am really re-energized. I had not previously seen the phrase, “activation energy”, and I can see how useful it can be when describing the state of mind of so many consumers. You know that you need a new mattress, but the labor involved in actually getting what you need as well as your money’s worth, takes more energy than you are capable or willing to invest.

      Thank you, Marshall

  • Lou V says:

    Dear Marshall,
    Giving back is an understatement! Your website efforts proved invaluable to me and I’m sure countless others who unfortunately don’t take the time for feedback. The activation energy statement is due to my background as a chemist and this particular item, namely mattresses, make a data-driven person like me cringe. Your logic and clearcut input around the science of the choice is refreshing. You certainly made a difference in my decision making through your efforts.
    Thank you,
    Lou

  • Paul Jones says:

    Thanks for your time and effort to provide the great mattress advice on this site, very helpful. Do you have any advice on a good quality 3 inch latex topper?

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Paul Jones,

      Not by brand name or supplier at this time. I suggest that you visit Amazon, search 3″ Latex Topper on “home and kitchen”. Be prepared for a whole lot of choices. Eliminate the Dunlop. (no explanation, would take to long, but you want one made by the Talalay process). Then read the four star reviews. So many of the five star ones are phony baloney. The one star are usually about shipping problems. If within your budget, always always prefer one with a cover. Latex has little tensile strength and tears easily. A covered one is a smarter investment, long term. Getting the right firmness for your individual needs matters. What you are putting on also matters. It is not going to do much for a worn out mattress. It will never make a too soft mattress firmer, but can soften the surface of a too-firm mattress. Absent knowing the weight of the sleepers and the age and condition of the mattress,and what you are trying to accomplish, I could not be more helpful even If I wanted to, and I do. You might want to return to main pages on this site and take the survey. In the comments, remind me that you are only looking for a topper, and then armed with useful information, I will help you further.

  • Jeff says:

    Hello Old Bed Guy,
    I really enjoy your blog. I have learned a lot.
    I was wondering if you have any experience or know anyone that has experienced true tried Thai Massage Mats or Japanese beds? I have tried sleeping on the floor, it does take awhile to get use to, but just need a little bit more padding and was thinking about buy natural latex topper (1-3″) and just put it on top of a platform bed or Japanese futon (4-6″)
    I’m just not sure I need to have a mattress that is 10″-15″ thick.
    Heck I have even read about people getting great nights sleep in a hammock.

    I am curious about a true Japanese Futon, sleeping mat or Thai Mat

    anyways I appreciate any help and guidance you can offer.
    Thanks again,

    Jeff

    Please do not post any commercial sites.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Jeff,

      Whatever Floats your boat. Billions of people still sleep on the floor in one room huts every night. However, some of us “lucky” first worlders have choices. You could sleep on what our society believes to be comfortable and healthful, or sleep on what “they” have to sleep on. I can assure you, from frequent visits to family in Japan, that anyone who can afford a western mattress, sleeps on one. Rich Japanese with feelings about tradition often have a small tatami room with a rice straw floor and a cotton futon for guests. I have slept on such authentic beds numerous times. It can be better than a saggy crummy worn out western mattress, but does not hold a candle to a nice brand new innerspring/latex hybrid such as the one I choose to sleep on tonight.

      I am removing the links that you inserted as they smack of commercialism. I could sell ads on this site as do most advice sites, but prefer keeping everything non-commercial.

  • Pat says:

    Hi, Old Bed Guy:
    The info on your site is very informative.
    I went to Charles P. Roger’s showroom to check out the powercore estate
    and decided to buy the King. The salesman told me that these mattresses are more
    rigid that the old ones. My current king mattress is 17 years old and I remember the 2 guys had to squeezed the mattress thru the 2 turns on stairway to the 2nd floor. The salesman also said that they could deliver the mattress in 2 pieces and assemble it on site which is $200 more. I want to get your opinion on this option. The estate 7000 that I want to get is 14 in ch thick as opposed to the 9 in of my current mattress.

    Thanks
    Pat

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Pat,

      You are not the first correspondent to tell me how Charles P. Rogers was able to solve a problem that no one else could. High quality mattresses such as the Powercore have a lot more padding and more and taller springs, so they have grown thicker and weightier. Rogers sends qualified people to your home and they can assemble the mattress just as well as in the factory. The only negative is that they have a mileage limit. I do not have details.

      This company has had more than a bit of hand labor experience in the past century and half +. A retail store and/or any mass producer could never offer you this kind of old-fashioned service. You are lucky to have found them, not just for the mattress that you will soon be enjoying, but because they have a policy with products AND services, either perfect or not at all. This is possibly why Consumer Reports has them as best in multiple categories. I am proud of myself because I “discovered” them long before Consumer Reports did. CR has a national audience and until not long ago when Rogers started to offer their decorative beds and a range of hand assembled mattresses, they were just a special place for New Yorkers.

      Have no worries about the in-home assembly. Once assembled it is exactly the same as if it was done in the NJ factory. Once the great big mattress, now one piece, gets placed on the 2 foundations, which are easy to deliver, and will last at least as long as the mattress, it will stay in place needing no care except occasional good vacuuming.

      Rogers sells a solid mahogany unbelievably sturdy and well finished simple style for almost as little a matching foundation and metal bed frame. Sometimes they also have special combo prices. All the Powercore’s are designed to eliminate the jiggling or motion transfer when your partner moves or gets up. And it works. But when you switch from a metal bed frame with wheels to a solid mahogany padded platform bed, it works even better because the metal bed frames can move slightly and the platform not at all.

      Happy Sleeping,

      Marshall Coyle

      • Amy says:

        Hi Marshall,
        After checking out Charles P. Rogers from the reviews in Consumer Reports, my husband and I purchased the 9000 and we both absolutely LOVE it, so thank you! As for Pat’s question above, we have a very narrow hallway with a right angle to get to the bedroom in our new house, and after discussing things with the very knowledgeable salesman in the NYC showroom, we realized that there is no way a king-size mattress would be able to fit since modern mattresses don’t really bend around corners like the old, thinner mattresses did. So we went for the “put together on site” option, and it was great — you’d never know it wasn’t one solid mattress!
        So not only did we get an amazing mattress from a quality company who solved a problem we didn’t even know we had — we later realized that if we had ordered a king bed from any other place, it would not have fit on delivery and then we’d be really stuck!
        So thank you for everything!!!
        —Amy

        • Marshall Coyle says:

          Dear Amy,

          I always appreciate a nice thank you. There really is no substitute for the kind of experience I bring to these discussions, and it concerns me that I really do not have a whole lot more good days left. I am trying to sharply edit all of my hard to read through essays, and write some new ones. I am hanging on the idea that a better and more clearly written blog, one that has more information with fewer words, will continue to help for a few years after I will no longer be around watching the computer morning noon and night.

          Marshall

        • Annie says:

          Hiya Amy! I’m about to take the plunge after the OBG’s suggestion. Quick ? is what does it mean they “put together on site”? They built your mattress from scratch right there in your bedroom or did you buy 2 Twin XL beds side-by-side?
          Thanks :) Annie

  • Jeff says:

    OBG, I WISH I had read your site before purchasing, now I regret it. I didn’t do a lot of research other than searching for a local mattress store. I ran across Keetsa and was impressed that they were eco-friendly. I got my mattress from FedEx last night and was struck by a wave of chemicals! My whole apartment stinks like chemicals. I started researching a bit and found some comments on sites that said they are made in China, that they use petroleum foams and a mixture of chemicals for fire retardant. I am flabbergasted that in this day and age companies can get away with saying they are eco friendly when in fact they are not. What recourse do I have? Their website says 25% return fee, and that seems like a rip off since I bought under false pretense.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Jeff,

      I am so sorry for you also, with the internet so crowded with faux mattress-advice websites, it is a miracle that, even after the fact, you succeeded. Keetsa is within their legal rights to withhold the 25%. And we both know that this is a fact. You would have to take them to court for satisfaction and maybe that would be the right thing to do. When you read the OBG site, it is hard to miss the reading about the current class action suit against Tempur-Sealy International from buyers who are convinced that the same chemicals found in Keetsa made them seriously ill. A major point of law in this suit is whether or not a foam mattress maker owes it to the consumers to disclose the chemicals before the sale is made.

      I am sure that the owners of Keetsa are following this trial waiting for the hammer to fall on them also. You might want to find the appropriate URL’s elsewhere on the OBG blog, learn a bit before it is too late. Pleading ignorance will not make you or your family well once the damage is done. You can complain to the Consumer Products Safety Commission and the Federal Trade Commission, both involved in this kind of issue. Ask yourself how the owners at Keetsa would react to a letter from you making a last demand for a total refund in the light of your planned complaint to agencies charged with policing this kind of conduct. You might just hit a nerve and cause them to mend their ways, starting with you.

      You also should really do an hour or less of useful reading right here on this blog, and, of course, take advantage of the opportunity to let me help you select your replacement mattress. You will find references to a questionnaire or survey all over the blog. It is the only way to reach me for one-on-one help and depending on how busy I am, and well I feel day-to-day, in can take a week or so for you to find out what mattress(es) I think suit you and your budget the best.

      And last thought. I suspect by your email address that you are a captive of California. Good deal. California has a consumer protection agency with teeth, and you should start a process even before the Federal agencies. California might actually do something for you.

      Good luck, and please stay in touch-

      Marshall Coyle

  • Andrew says:

    Hi Marshall, I love your website; I’ve been interested in mattresses and how they are constructed ever since I’ve been an adult and had the displeasure of spending a small fortune, only to be left with saggy back breaking, uncomfortable mattresses after only a few years. I recently read your article about foundations/box springs. I have a 7 year old Denver Dr.s Choice mattress and it’s held up a bit better than other innerspring mattress I’ve bought over the years. It’s sagging a bit, so I took the leap and sliced it open and replaced the cheap foam with 2 inch medium latex topper. WOW, what a difference. It’s better than it was brand new. However, it still has a bit of sag in the middle. I thought after reading your article, that maybe I should add plywood between the foundation and the mattress. I confirmed that this set indeed has a foundation with no springs. There are gaps of up to 3 square inches in the steel “grid” that makes up the foundation, so I thought the plywood would add some rigidity and support. Boy did it ever; it made for great support but I ended up with hip pressure point pain. My main question is, even with a rigid steel wire foundation that has virtually no give, plywood makes it much stiffer; do the gaps in the surface from the steel wires allow the innerspring system to sort of settle through and give some cushioning to the mattress? Thanks very much and sorry for the long question!

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Andrew,

      I admire your persistence and hate to be the bearer of not such good news. Seven years ago you bought a middling quality mattress, from a “promotional priced” local maker, that was designed to maybe last five, six, or even seven years. Real talk, not advertising. The coils lose their temper, and foams their resilience. You never bought latex in the first place, and now with the topper, you realize that no all foams are alike. And I can’t blame you for not getting original advice from me because this website is only about five years old. The people who take my recommendations get fifteen twenty or more years of comfort. The only good thing left from your purchase is the semi-flex torsion bar grid top foundation made by Leggett and Platt for Denver Mattress and hundreds of others. This foundation is a durable as an anvil. You need a nice brand new top rated latex innerspring hybrid like I sleep on, and can save the cost of a new foundation, as your old one should be fine. Your present mattress is sagging directly from the worn out coils, and you can not fix them. You might want to return to any page in the website, open the questionnaire, follow instructions, and in couple of weeks, will have a well thought out series of recommendations for your next mattress. Please mention the topper you own, where it came from, Talalay or Dunlop, thickness and ILD (firmness). Knowing this information I will save you some extra money by getting a mattress that would get real benefit from this specific topper’s qualifications.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Gail Hutcheson says:

    We are thinking about a Shifman firm pillowtop mattress and box spring.
    Read your site and see that they are one of few who make their own product.
    Would you recommend this mattress ?

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Gail Hutcheson,

      The answer is a qualified maybe. Since I know nothing about you as you apparently have not filled out the requested survey, and because Shifman assembles at least 22 different pillow top mattresses with names similar to when they were in their heyday. Only not the same quality or construction. Some are still very very well made and some are awful.

      Certainly one or more may be good for you. It is doable, but only with enough information,and now I only know about the mattresses, not the potential sleepers. Be aware: The mattresses labeled Shifman “Quilted” or “Anniversary” in no way represent the quality that the former owners put into all their products. That is why the current Consumer Reports has savaged their tested Shifman. Because of a proud history, everyone thinks of them as being so great, and when they turn out a piece of junk so a store can advertise a “cheap” $3,000 Shifman, it is worse than when a mass producer known for the junk, makes a similar mattress. Shifman does not manufacture any of their own springs, but still buys high quality from a small producer.

      If your criteria in 2015 is to find a mattress made the way they did in 1915, or even 1949 when Mrs. Coyle and I briefly slept on the one we got as a wedding present from the original Shifman Brothers. I still remember how hard it was, and that was in an era when hard was considered good. At one time, my stores were the largest Shifman dealer in a very wide area. Today, it is Bloomingdales, some Macy’s and a handful of going-out-of business fine family furniture stores that do not want to have to sell Chinese furniture. I hope that if you shop for an automobile, you opt for a current model with all the safety features and unparalleled comfort.

      If you decide to ask the proper way with the survey’ questionnaire, please be patient. At this time the mail is coming in faster than ever and all I am is this little old guy, thankfully still getting older.

      In any event I am qualified to match you with any of the current retro-style inner-tufted and pillow topped Shifman mattresses but only as long as your survey information indicates that there are one or more mattresses that meet your needs and your budget. All you have to do is to go through my front door, the survey with the interesting questions that you can enter on almost any page of the Old Bed Guy. Once I have your story in front of me, you will find out what this expert thinks will be most suitable for you and any sleeping companion.

  • Sally from Georgia says:

    My husband and I are in full agreement to get rid of the STearns FOster monster king mattress which we bought in 2011 at a NY department store chain that ends in ‘dale. About one year into the use of this mattress, each side developed indented pools and there was a ridge from head to toe where the wood bridge was in the frame. I have just ordered a king sized St. Regis Charles Rogers mattress with standard box springs, mostly because of the reviews and because of CR 2015 as a best buy. I went to the Original Mattress factory in Marietta GA yesterday and sat on the various offerings – not too excited there. Then on to Mattress Firm to sit on the Sealys/Beautyrests/ etc. I hope that this new bed will help ease the body aches that we both have when sleeping and on waking up.
    Would you suggest adding in the gel/latex option to the bed? Since I ordered yesterday, it may be easy to adjust the cost which is a couple of hundred dollars more.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Sally, Dear Sally,

      If I didn’t want to be of help I would not knock myself out working all hours seven days a week. And as hard as I try, I still get letters from nice people who either did not read, or did not get my oft-repeated messages. You have to ask these questions through a functional front door survey/questionnaire. I know about all there is needed to know about the St. Regis. We slept on one from 2004 until 2014. I just over a year ago, tested the new gel and gel latex in the showroom before we compromised on the particular Powercore model “perfect for us”. This was our 65th anniversary gift to ourselves and no compromising was allowed.

      So, my opinions are from hands, or backs, or butts-on. So now you know that I am a self-styled St.Regis expert, but what do I know about you?. Your name is Sally, you overpaid in a high priced department store for a less-than-satisfactory Stearns and Foster (most models qualify), and now, after you didn’t bother to share your actual needs with me by using the freely offered survey questionnaire, you want me to put you in another mattress that, although will probably never sag, may or may not be ideal for you. Rogers makes three versions of the St. Regis, and five of the Powercore. All good mattresses, each of them is perfect for a narrow band of end users, and good for a mass. But also not good at all for some. So, please re-visit the http://www.oldbedguy.com blog, and note the offer to help discreetly tucked into the top corners of every page. While you are waiting to find out the real best choice, it is in your self interest to check out the Rogers platform beds. Price competitive with foundation and metal frame arrangements, and infinitely stronger and more attractive. We did our bedroom with one of their platforms in solid mahogany under $500 and really appreciate the storage space and the real or imaginary extra comfort that the solid padded top deck provides. If you only want Charles P. Rogers, say so on the survey/questionnaire. Otherwise, I may recommend from a wider choice of factory direct sellers, but never ever anything where, like the stuff you have so far been attracted to, absolutely no Volatile Outgassing issues. None. Please be candid with your answers as size does matter. I am never judgmental, but both of us would want this need for advice to be one time event.

      IF YOU STILL NEED ADVICE, PLEASE GO TO THIS LINK FOR ONE-ON-ONE PERSONAL ADVICE.
      https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/old-bed-guy

  • Sally from Georgia says:

    Dear Marshall, I sit aptly admonished and have completed the survey at the top of your site. I hope that your detailed response to me will help other kind-hearted mattress shoppers avoid what I failed to do – heed your excellent advice. I do not think there is much you can do for my husband’s snoring, however, except suggesting a cattle prod. I enjoy the math at the end of the posts. Sally

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Sally from Georgia,

      Even better than a cattle prod for gently reminding snorers to turn over, is to prevent them from sneaking onto their backs in the first place. Almost any body pillow large enough to permit the sleeper to fall asleep on his or her side, will help maintain the side sleeping position. I use one, I know that it works well, and although it is not necessary to give up on it when the habit is changed, it can be looked at as permanent or temporary. Amazon has a very nice selection. I use one that you can buy on the maker’s site, or on Amazon, brand name, “Comfort U”. Five years old and still as new.

      An important fact to know before you take Grandpa Mattress’s side sleeping advice, is that for it work properly, you must own a mattress with a soft top surface. Naturally cool Talalay latex as on “our” mattress choice works perfectly. When the top of the mattress is hard, like memory foam when compressed, just as the foam squashes down, so does the muscle and flesh resting on top of it. When the mattress surface is hard, the supply of oxygenated blood is cut off from nerves and muscles, and the sleeper starts thrashing and moving, sometimes waking up, until the brain is satisfied that the stoppage is over. A mattress can be good and firm, but still have a soft sleeping surface. People who sent in their questionnaires are always keyed in to such mattresses, but it general, most of the hybrid latex I recommend is a perfect combination with a body pillow. No more snoring from night one, and the former snorer wakes up a lot more wonderful in the morning.

      Marshall Coyle

      • Sally from Georgia says:

        We just received the Charles Rogers Powercore Estate 7000. After unwrapping, which took some time, the old Stearns Foster Estate monster was relegated to the garage, soon to live in the landfill. Thank you for your research. If last night’s sleep is any indication of the future, we are going to be well-rested. (There is a Labor Day sale on the Charles Rogers’ website for anyone interested.)

        Also, best wishes for your health.

        • Marshall Coyle says:

          Dear Sally from Georgia,

          I appreciate your comments very much. I am doubly appreciative because I do not remember doing a search for you. Since Consumer Reports started waxing so enthusiastic about the Charles P. Rogers products, I have been getting a lot of mail asking me my opinion. And it is that if you get the proper mattress from them, or many other makers you are going to be happy. Rogers is a lot different than other brands because they really do make them and sell direct. This gives you an opportunity to get more for your money than you might expect in a retail store. Your remark about your old Stearns and Foster LIVING in a landfill brought a smile to my face. Since Sealy bought the name Stearns and Foster at least twenty years ago, this once top of the line quality mattress has been on a race to the bottom. Your old one is chock full of synthetic foams that are not biodegradable like the latex in your new Rogers mattress. The S&F really will be living in the landfill for the next thousand years.

          Thanks, Marshall

  • Julie says:

    Dear Marshall,
    After much research, my husband and I recently purchased the Beautyrest Alexia Extra Firm mattress (we like a firm supportive mattress), but we would like to also invest in a natural latex topper to soften it just a bit. We don’t want to sink down into the topper. I have also researched the Dunlop and Talalay latex, however I am still not sure which one to choose and which support level to choose. Can you provide me with some of your wisdom in this matter so that I can make a decision please?
    Many thanks! Julie

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Julie,

      As I know nothing about you except possibly a name, and I have done my best to make it easy for people to get my advice through the medium of filling out an informational survey that lets me know what your needs really are, absent a survey, I can not advise you. You bought by current standards the second best mattress that Simmons currently produces and can expect at least four or five years before significant reasons to replace it, certainly any topper should normally be latex. Depending on the unknown physical data you can use anywhere between 18 ILD and 50 ILD (support measurements) and if you do the survey, I will know, share with you, and possibly recommend decent sources.

      I normally would start preaching about the noxious gases that you just brought into your bedroom, and ask you to make sure to avoid chemical based synthetic foam toppers, but you already have about fifty pounds of VOC pumping foams directly under you every night, so it will not make a difference. Who knows what kind of pillows you are sleeping on on? Hindsight is always 20-20.

      Want a knowledge based answer? go here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/old-bed-guy And be sure to mention that you put up this post to save me a few minutes time.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Sally from Georgia says:

    Thank you for the pillow suggestion. It sounds like a good thing to try. I grow a little tired adjusting all the pictures on the walls after a full night of snoring.

  • Thomas Kolby says:

    Tom, San Luis Obispo, Ca.
    Tom age 73.5/Sharon age 72 with Rheumatoid Arthritis.
    Checked 5 mattress stores.

    Need firm Queen mattress per mattress store test, our history.
    Wife has hip arthritis same mattress now over ten years.
    We tested 40-50 mattresses in firm range today.

    We like Rhapsody by Stressopedic Oxnard, Ca. $979.oo

    Next Stearns and Foster Tandridge Lux. firm $1,300.oo

    Next Stearns and Foster Huddressfield $1,300.oo

    Tuscany by Stressopedic Oxnard, Ca. $979.oo

    We excluded Sealy Posturepedic for $1,100.oo because of reports of mattress sagging failures by buyers.

    Our concern is that we read of mattress sagging failures on the 2 to 3 thousand price range, but we do want a good mattress. Our price range is under 1,300.oo.

    Please help us.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Mr. Kolby,

      Your letter really added to my depression because I can not give you the help you so badly need. You have assembled a catalog of crappy mattresses, apparently from two minute tests running from store to store. Had you spent the day learning what to shop for on http://www.oldbedguy.com for free, or Consumer Reports for as little as $7.00 for a month, instead of welcoming storekeepers and commission salespeople to rip you off, you might have acted like an educated customer.

      I do not see one mattress based on naturally cool and healthful latex. I see a bunch that do not even have an innerspring core. I see where you exclude an entire company because of bad reviews without knowing if the complainer weighs 350#. Just dumb flailing around even though real knowledge exists at no or low cost on the Internet.

      I am depressed because last month I posted a mattress survey on my site to help people like yourself to find mattresses suitable for their physical needs. About ten different things are checked. Emotional needs are also taken into account. Unfortunately I was swamped with thousands of requests instead of the tens I was prepared to help.
      I have dragged in a couple of bored retired old friends from mattress and technical industries to help me answer what I already have. Meanwhile, I pulled the survey.

      I expect to replace it as soon as this weekend, but for sure on Monday, with a much easier one for me to work with. So, if you haven’t already thrown a thousand dollars down the drain, check back until the survey appears on top of the home page.

      This “scare story” happens to be true and refers 100% to the mass produced foam mattresses that you wasted your day, and my half an hour over.

      http://news.softpedia.com/news/Can-Your-Mattress-Kill-You-76887.shtm BEFORE YOU BUY MEMORY FOAM!

  • Jo Ella Molloy says:

    Dear Marshall,
    First I’d like to thank you for all your hard work and commitment to helping people like myself sleep and feel better. I have chronic neck and back pain and I’m always looking for ways to alleviate the pain. I happened on to your website when I was researching which mattress to purchase next. My husband and I filled out your questionnaire intending to buy our new mattress as soon as we got your recommendation. That has been nearly a month ago. I know by continuing to check your website that you are “only one old guy” and that you have been swamped recently with requests for help. And I am certainly not trying to rush you or be pushy. The purpose of my email today is just to make sure our survey did indeed go through and we are on the “waiting list.” Is there a way to check this? We would be happy to submit another to get your much needed and appreciated advice.

    Thank you so much for your help.

    Jo

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Jo,
      I have all of the undone surveys and am feeling a bit better. I would like to do yours as soon as it can be found, but as they are filed by date only, absent knowing the exact date, I am unable to help. If you do not have a way to track the date, unfortunately you will have to do a new survey. I re-opened the survey over the weekend and am again swamped and may have to turn it off again. Please, if you read this email today, Monday, and can not find the original date, do a new survey. AND mention at least once in the various areas for comment that you are Jo Molloy that I wrote to this morning.
      Marshall

  • richard says:

    I bought a sealy 21st anniversary gel series and tried to find it on the internet and could not . Then I went to rival bed stores to find out about it , the one assistant told me that sealy had a high faliure rate ,thats why they don’t sell them.I’d like to know if the mattress will fail as we are both 240 lbs and if the mattress I bought was worth the money

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Richard,
      Hindsight is always 20/20.
      If you can read for a few minutes, why don’t you read some essays on my blog to understand why the synthetic chemical foam mattress that you bought was an unwise purchase. Not so much for the high failure rates, it will last four or five years like most similar mass-produced foam loaded mattresses, but for the minimum comfort levels and the high levels of chemical outgassing. I am sorry, but there is always a next time. I will not be here to help you for much longer, so reading and learning now, can help you be a smarter shopper next time.

      Marshall

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Richard,

      If you are actually using one of these new 21st Anniversary gel series, and want to compare your experience to others on the internet,http://www.consumeraffairs.com/furniture/sealy.html is your place to go. I am sure that you will get at least two or three years of use until you go shopping again. Next time, read my blog first, and learn about latex innerspring hybrids that last at least twenty years without your bedroom air filling with noxious odorless gasses such as outgas from your present not-bargain. http://www.consumeraffairs.com/furniture/sealy_mattress.html?page=2
      I just re-read what I wrote in haste. this is an edit

      I noted that the two of you together weigh about 1/4 ton. You will be out shopping again in under a year. Although my health is failing, right now it is stable enough to predict that I will last at least as long as the bag of chemical foams you paid good money for. My previous advice was meant to help you after this blog has closed down. With your combined weights, and the habits of junk foam, I should still be here to help you when you need me, before you purchase.

      Marshall COyle

  • Doug says:

    Marshall,
    First, thanks for all of the information on the site. What a great service and the community appreciates the time you commit. Your posted information has really helped me eliminate some options I was considering.

    Were you flooded with inputs on the 29th when the survey opened back up? I ask because today would be day 9 (Unfortunately, I felt compelled to select Rush because of the CPR sale through Labor day, otherwise I would have selected standard response time). I have read and reread everything on here. I am a CR member as well and have read their articles. Survey response is the last piece of the puzzle for me. If you are backlogged, I completely understand and will wait for another opportunity. Just trying to get an indication of what to expect. Thanks.

  • Marshall Coyle says:

    Michelle,

    I have been completely thrown off kilter by the hundreds of surveys coming in. You did nothing wrong, in fact I think I remember reading your survey and found something interesting, but when the time came to answer you, I didn’t find it. I note that you submitted on 9/05 and will dig it out of the pile if I can. You should get an answer today if I am successful. If not, please do a new one and note that it is the second time. Second timers get special attention.

    I apologize for the delay.

    Marshall

  • Josh says:

    Dear Marshall,

    I have already sent you the completed survey and I know you are really overwhelmed with so many of them. In case you don’t remember me, I am the same guy wanting to know about best budget mattress (well this time my budget is $700 not $500, thank you for the wonderful information you provided in your last email). Like you suggested , I filled in the survey and mentioned about our last conversation where you said that if I am willing to wait a week or so you would be able to do more research on some of the best budget mattress out in the market. At this time, I just wanted to make sure you have received my completed survey, else i would send you a new one. I want to make my mattress purchase being full informed and there is no one better than our Dear Marshall to get information and instructions from regarding mattress purchase. I am willing to wait a little longer and not be sorry for my purchase later.

    Sincerely thanking you,
    Josh n family

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Josh, I have received more surveys than I can deal with as quickly as I would like. And they are filed only by date. If you are in a hurry and know the date you sent it in, tell me and I will retrieve it and do it at once. If not, you have to do a new one and send me an email at the same time for me to snatch it out of the incoming pile. Thanks for your kind words.

      Marshall COyle

  • Tracy H says:

    Hi Marshall,

    Today I completed your survey request and marked it “Rush”, however you may now disregard as I purchased the Estate 9000 mattress from Charles P. Rogers today and got in on their Labor Day sale. :). Thank you for all you do! I was overwhelmed researching on the interweb and was going for the saavka (sp?) prior to reading your blog. I am beyond excited now to receive this new bed and look so forward to a restful nights sleep for a change.

    Thanks again,
    Tracy H.

  • Yesenia Vega says:

    Hello again, I had send you an email about 2 or 3 months ago. You did reply back and I got back to you, but never heard back from you again. I have filled out your questionnare, but I understand you have lots of emails coming on a regular basis. I have read your blog and have taken notes. I don’t know if you can retrieve my email, I am the lady who told you my medical issues with Lupus. I reallly need your help as soon as possible. I took your advice through your knowledge and have put $500 down on a Charles p Rogers bed. However I am confused on which one to purchase the 5000, 7000 or 9000 Estate? Can you get back to me please. Thank you for all you do in educating us with all the mattresses. Blessing to you always!

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Yesenia,

      I remember reading your survey and getting pleasure from your lovely name and then it all goes blank. My life has been turned upside down by now, hundreds of daily emails and surveys, and I am unable to answer more than a few. I remember the lupus but could not make the decision for you absent knowing the physical facts that I use when doing what I do and doing it right. I hate to ask you, but please do a new survey and make it plain in the comments section that your are who you are. I will reply immediately with a first and second selection.

      I apologize again for any delay or inconvenience. It will soon be over and your proper bed will be on the way. PLEASE EMAIL ME WHEN YOU HAVE SENT IN THE SURVEY. I CAN ONLY FIND BY DAY AND TIME. NOT FILED ALPHABETICALLY.

  • Livia says:

    Dear Marshall .have you heard of Yankee mattress factory and what do you think of there products

  • Livia says:

    Marshall…see this is why your a VIP in my book I would have bought one thinking that I got a great bed …thanks Livia going to do the survey tonight no rush not going to buy a new mattress and bed in December

  • Leor says:

    Wishing you a speedy recovery and good health.

  • Jasmine says:

    Prayers your better soon! Take it easy Marshall❤️

  • Monique says:

    Thank you for saving me from this burdensome mattress hunt. I truly don’t know what I would’ve done without you. Thanks to your daughter too for the idea of sharing your wealth of information. I’m leaning towards the powercore 9000 from Charles Rogers but I’m hesitant to make the purchase because I’m trying to find a comparable innerspring mattress for less money & then place a latex topper on it.

    • Monique says:

      Thank you. I filled out the survey but I know you had an injury. I hope you recover quickly. I understand that I won’t receive a quick response. I may just end up purchasing the 5000 or 7000 powercore mattress. Thank you for your help.

  • gary says:

    hi Marshall,

    First, thanks for all the detailed info. Discovering your website, I was able to hold off on buying a Saatva online. We had a latex for two years, not in love with it. Now I am focusing on an innerspring core. I filled out your survey about one month ago, and hope you are all better from your injury. Hope to hear your analysis of our survey responses. Was a bit confused about the St. Regis as it comes w 3 options, plain, memory foam, and memory foam and latex. Anyways, hope to hear from you, keep up the excellent insider info!

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Gary,
      Please don’t expect the survey answer. It may or may not come. I had an accident a couple of weeks ago that sidelined me completely and hundreds and hundreds of survey requests came in. I am, “as advertised” just this one little old guy and have managed to completely mess up the survey filing. As they are filed only by email address and date, and can not be searched, I can usually find them when you know the exact date you sent it in. If you know the date, send me an email. If you don’t, please do a new survey and additionally send me an email telling me that your new survey has arrived, using the same email address as you used in the survey. I will put it on top of the to-do pile. Please accept my apologies for the delay, but I actually fell flat on my face on a NYC street and broke a number of facial bones. As I have been aging, I also have been falling and now use a walking stick, but it doesn’t always work. It is too bad that I always fall forward. I am much better padded on my back then on my front. Glad that you held off so far and will do my best to match with what you need. Marshall Coyle

  • Adam says:

    Hi Marshall,

    I’m sorry to hear about your accident and I wish you a speedy recovery. My wife and I have been shopping for a new bed (our bed is over 10 years old and we toss and turn all night only to wake up with back pain). We almost pulled the trigger on a Tempurpedic, but after some research, I came across your site and have learned so much from you!

    Based on your recommendation, we have decided to go with a Charles P. Rogers, but we are unsure about which model to go with. We are both around 6′ tall and weigh around 170-180 lbs. My wife is a high school teacher and I work in multimedia. We are both fairly active, with a three year old daughter and another baby on the way. I am a definite side sleeper, and my wife is a mix of back and side.

    We are looking at either the 7000 or the 9000 in either a queen or king size. Our initial thoughts are to go with the king considering we’ll have 2 kids that will undoubtedly share the bed with us on more than one occasion. Our daughter crawls in bed with us in the middle of the night now, and she dominates the space!

    Neither of us likes a really soft mattress, though I think my wife prefers a firmer mattress than I do. Also, when we toss and turn on the bed we have now, the whole bed bounces, shakes and creaks. We would like a bed that doesn’t transfer motion that well.

    We are also thinking of picking up their Madera platform frame as well.

    I filled out your survey but I know that you are recovering from your accident. Just wanted to send you well wishes and seek any advice you might have for us!

    • Adam says:

      Thanks for getting back with me, Marshall! Hang in there, my wife and I are both rooting for you to get back on your feet. What you have built here is just an astounding treasure trove of information. If it weren’t for you, we would have been so lost!

      I just filled out and sent the survey again. I included much more detail and information. We’re looking for a mattress for our daughter as well, and I included that info in the survey. We’re hoping to place an order this week, but your health is the only thing that really matters. Please don’t feel obligated to respond to our survey. But if it keeps your mind busy and in shape, we would love to hear back from you!

      Very best,

      Adam

      • Marshall Coyle says:

        Dear Adam,

        Thank you for your kind thoughts and words. I just discovered this “comment” which is not a “post” or an “email”, and I thought that I had left you hanging. But I see where I did locate your survey and we successfully corresponded. I know that you(and wife) and your daughter, will all soon be sleeping better than ever on your new mattresses. If you ever have to reach out to me again, email is the most reliable way.

        Happy sleeping,

        Marshall

  • Steve Woodward says:

    Hi Marshall – Ouch! I see from reading above that you have had some health issues and the probably explains my issue below. I wish you a speedy recovery!
    ~Steve
    ————–
    I filled out the survey on 9/14 and haven’t seen a response. I know you get a lot of requests, and I want to be patient, but I am afraid maybe I missed your response in my junk mail folder? I would be grateful if you would resend if I missed it or just tell me to be patient if I haven’t!

    Thank you. ~Steve

  • Seth Foster says:

    I had filled out a survey without response, but I am guessing it was around the time of your accident. Hope you are feeling better. I wound up taking a deep breath and going with the high recommendation you give for the CPR Powercore 9000 King.

    It took longer than they expected (about 4 weeks instead of the 1-2 they promote on their site) due to heavy orders, probably post-CR review I guess. I had to chase after them, rather than they contacting me. I would have liked them to have been a bit more proactive with a status update. That said, everyone I spoke with was very nice.

    When the bed arrived, two things were immediately obvious: it appears to be really well made and finished nicely and it is VERY heavy. Don’t plan on slinging it around by yourself!

    Finally, only had it a few nights but our immediate reaction is that it is VERY firm. Without the latex layer I think it would be like sleeping on a brick! The latex definitely helps, but I think it would be nice to have a bit thicker piece of latex to make it softer. Maybe we just have to get used to it?? A lot of online vendors give you 75 and even 100 days to test the mattress out. CPR only gives you 7, so we will have to make a decision in the next few days.

    Just wanted people to here an opinion that was respectful but not gushing so they can at least be aware of things to consider for themselves…

  • Debra Unruh says:

    Dear Mr. Coyle,
    I hope you’re feeling better and gaining some strength and energy. You are so kind and helpful to so many people. I admit to no survey, only reading your blog and Consumer Reports before purchasing a Charles P. Rogers Powercore Estate 9000, and I am so very happy I did! My sciatic nerve is much calmer and my sleep is deeper and better. I only wish I had known of you and Charles P. Rogers last year. I bought a Sealy Optimum Gold because I wanted the adjustable, massage base and thought I needed a Memory Foam mattress. I never, ever got a good sleep on that mattress, but the massages were very nice. Now that I know Charles P. Rogers can modify and create a mattress for adjustable bed frames, that will be my next major purchase. I will leave the Powercore for my guests, as I originally intended. Thank you for your wise, wonderful words. You have solved a great problem for me. Best wishes for your healing, sir. I can’t thank you enough.

  • Marshall Coyle says:

    Dear Christian, I am sorry but I cannot help you. My medical and physical issues have been very demanding in recent weeks. I have fallen hopelessly behind in replying or maintaining the comments section. I am trying to remove all non-timely and non-relevant ones but am not doing that very well either. You can not use ordinary logic in this situation. As stupid as it sounds, if you still think that I can help you, I am still able to handle most of my email. Just ask very specific questions in an email and you will get as much help as I can give you. If I knew how to remove this comments section, I would. I only know how to remove individual comments and did so about fifty times this month.

  • Marshall Coyle says:

    Please forgive me for my current inability to react to all of your needs in a timely way. If you post a comment “nagging” me, it only exacerbates the bad feelings I can’t shed. I read all of your surveys and letters, just can’t be organized long enough to answer them all. if you got a question answered, consider yourself fortunate because I am receiving many more than I can answer. You should find your answers in my essays, and although this involves work, it also can help you to find your best suited mattress, and avoid some of the most commons scams. Between Consumer Reports and my blog, you should have a sense of what is good for you. If it does not have a spring inside, it is not what is good for you. If it has latex, it is better than if it doesn’t. Putting latex on top of synthetic foams brings out the worst in both types. Only pure latex is worthwhile, and the more, the better. When layers of pure latex are the padding over a good pocketed coil core, and the edges are built up, it is hard for it to be a bad mattress. If it is any kind of innerspring covered with synthetic foam, it can be good, but less automatically so like latex.
    If the synthetic foam offered is listed on the website of CertiPUR US, it is safe for you. If it does not have that listing, like Sealy, and TempurPedic, you have to know that you will be breathing in a cocktail of molecules that you are better off avoiding.

    Marshall Coyle

    Marshall Coyle

  • Tracy Hovatter says:

    Hi Marshall,

    I sure hope you are feeling better after your accident. I know these things take some time.

    First off I wanted to thank you for recommending the wonderful new bed to us. We went ahead and bought it (the king) and it arrived a few days ago. We love this bed! I previously had a Simmons Beautyrest World class that was 10 years old. It was hard as a rock and I developed hip pain and lower back stiffness etc. The new bed could not arrive soon enough! I was nervous about buying a bed, sight unseen and spending that kind of money without being able to feel it. I swear to you that all of my body aches and pains were gone after the very first night sleeping on this bed. I do not find this bed firm at all like everyone is experiencing so my bed must have been like a rock! I find this bed luxuriously soft on top but firm underneath. It gives where your pressure points are. So relieved that this bed truly lived up to all the hype as I’m not one to spend $3k on anything I cannot see first.

    So thank you Marshall. Get better real soon…

    Tracy

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Tracy,
      Thank you for the good thoughts. I am healing, albeit, very slowly, and still unable to do more than an hour or two of research and advice a day. I “edited” your letter to remove the exact name. I am finding out that a lot of people are taking my advice without doing the survey. This is not necessarily a good thing for them. Only when I have your physical data do I feel comfortable in recommending anything.

      Nevertheless, I am in the process of changing most of my essays to have body mass index recommendations for mattresses that I find a reason to generally recommend. This is the best way I know to come close to being correct all of the time. It isn’t the same as a personal survey, but it is still better than what else is out there.

      Happy sleeping,

      Marshall Coyle

  • Sunnysugar says:

    Looking for a good comfortable Mattress well made Mattress. Sorry I did put Rush as I filled out the Survey 2 times, but deeply understand getting so many e- mails and answering each one!
    Our Mattress needs replacing. I have a bad back my disc slips out more often now. And I have many health issues that effect my poor sleep. Mainly Arthritis and Back issue. Also our Latex Dunlop Topper needs to be replaced, sure did help before it started sinking, had it 7 years also. New Mattress, and New Dunlop Latex Topper is needed. My husband can sleep on anything, not me our Mattress we last bought was far to Firm 7 years ago, that is why we bought a Latex Topper, for 2 Beds. Ours and our Sons , he has Scolosis, and the Soft Latex Dunlop Topper saved us both back problems, he is a lightweight at 120 pounds. So we need 2 Beds replaced and New Toppers Latex for both, as everything seems far to Firm for our Son and I. Hope you can help and that your feeling much better. I do as you do, fall more often easy. Be careful, and take care. I have read so much here my eyes tire. A wealth of great information Thank you Marshall

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear SunnySugar,
      I found and replied to your survey earlier today. I do not remember if it was yours or one of the other handful I was able to do, but one of them came back with an undeliverable address. i am pretty sure that it was you. If you did not get a reply, please write to me at my email address. I rarely find time to look at these comments and the email is done sometimes twice a day. I remember yours because you want and need the world, but with a short budget for top quality and I did find something perfect.
      Marshall

  • George says:

    My question is not Mattress related. It is the surface below. I’ve put back into use a 1920’s erra Murphy In-A-Dor bed. Bed sags in the middle too much for my back to handle. Below the mattress is like an old cot or military bunk bed. Metal straps running length wise and a spring on each end. Also springs between each strap to keep them from separating. Not refering to Bed Springs. Actual springs with hooks on each end. How do you suggest I repair by either tightening existing system or update to something else..

    Note: There is no angle Iron on the sides to attach slats too unfortunately. Only angle iron is head and foot ends. Granted I could put a piece of plywood under the mattress but would rather not add much more weight if a better solution is available.

    THANK YOU!!

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear George,
      The easiest way and not that easy, is to replace all of the helical coils with shorter ones. This will make the deck a whole lot tighter, but not completely get rid of any hammocking. To install the new shorter coils requires that you build a simple tool. Get a nice sturdy hunk of preferably hardwood about the size of an average hammer handle. Drill a 1/4 hole near one end. Thread some very strong, and I mean very strong, twine through the hole leaving a loop about large enough or a bit smaller than you can put your hand through. Use the leverage of this handle with two hands when you loop the twine over the end of the coil. And PULL. It is not easy and I have not done it in half a century. You can try grabbing the coil with a very large lock grip pliers but the loop works better.

      In the end, you will almost certainly opt for some plywood. If the weight is an issue and you have a good boat supply store available, nose around for a small sheet of fibreglass reinforced plastic to use as a bedboard. All you have to cover is the center. The head and foot are of no importance for this inelegant surgery. You can also add angle iron ( a phrase), but I mean angle aluminum that Lowes or HD might sell running from side to side in the center third. You have to use a lot of imagination. The plywood works best with the smallest labor investment, but not less than 3/8″. Smooth one side and 1/2″ is really best. You get the idea. There is no one best way. You also might want some mattress advice because no matter how solid you make the underpinning, if you are sleeping on a piece of crappy foam or similar, you are wasting your time no matter what you do. You can get heavier helical coils for the Murphy part of the equation to minimize the extra effort the extra weight brings. Google “Helical Coils”. You also might want to invest in having a careful welder put angle iron sides on the spring. I can keep going, because it is all improv. And Good Luck,
      Marshall

  • Kreg says:

    Marshall, wish I put 4000 in my max price for a full bed in my survey. Hope you see this correction sir.
    Kreg

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      I cannot find your survey without knowing the date you sent it and the email address you used. In any case, without seeing it, you do not have to throw money at the problem. Unless you are buying more than one bed, nothing is worth $4000. It is rare to even hit the $3,000 mark if you buy from a factory direct source as I recommend. The $4000 is easy only if you buy at retail prices. Please reply via email. I do not see these comments on as regular basis as I would like and I do check email daily.
      Marshal

  • Gary says:

    Hi Marshall ..have you seen the new mattress from Charles p Rogers… They have a micro coil now …what’s your thoughts .

    • Joe says:

      Your site absolutely helped me cut through the clutter that is the mattress industry. I dreaded the shopping experience, and my wife even more so. I took a leap of faith since there are no reviews or feedback on the new models other than this one post and ordered the nano2, which is doubly scary since we couldn’t even try it out in person. I’ll let you know how it goes!

      • Marshall Coyle says:

        Dear Joe,

        I hope that you find it as comfortable as we did when store testing last week. It took me a NANO second to decide that I wanted one very badly. Mrs. Coyle and I truly had never felt anything like it in our more than half a century of taking new mattresses home to test before we exposed them to the public in our retail operations. I doubt that there are too many others that have slept on more different mattresses, because when we were in a different stage of life, we traveled the country and the world, and slept on whatever the hotel offered, from a rock like all horse-tail mattress in Switzerland, to a 4″ uncovered polyfoam slab on a concrete floor in Swaziland. And the best America has to offer.

        I lack the vocabulary needed to adequately describe what it feels like to lie down on something like 6000 coils interlaid with thick soft and firm latex layers over an intelligent Powercore innerspring unit. We went to the NYC store last Wednesday to test the NANO and the new St.Regis and ended up ordering a NANO2. You will feel yours soon enough, and I would be grateful for an email or a posting to tell me how it feels to you. We have been sleeping on #9000 for almost two years and I thought that this is as far as mattress technology could go, but it isn’t. The #9000 is still a truly wonderful mattress and I am not denigrating it, but it is still only a mattress. The NANO2 is an “advanced sleeping machine”. The maker needs a new word to describe the product. We skipped over ordering the NANO without the 2 because it did feel a little nicer than our 3000, but the NANO squared was incredible.

        Happy Sleeping, Marshall

        When/if you do write back to me after sleeping on your new mattress, it would be helpful if you include your height and weight, or just your BMI if you calculated it.

  • Michelle says:

    Mr. Coyle – I sent a survey in a few weeks ago requesting info about a mattress for my daughter, after getting one I think she & ny mother were mislead about (I was away on business when they bought it). I am not asking for anything, as I suspect I’ll find enough info from the new blog entries you’ve shared. I knew when I didn’t hear from you there were likely health concerns involved. So I just want to thank you for all of the tremendously helpful and clearly well-intended pearls of wisdom you have shared with so many. Take care and blessings to you and Mrs. Coyle.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Michelle,
      Thank you so much for your kind thoughts. I wake up each morning expecting to see some kind of return to the energy I had before getting hurt, and it isn’t forthcoming. But i do have enough now on most days to answer a few surveys and my email. Maybe your sister shares your common sense and did find a suitable mattress. And if not, it is a “thing” and things come and go. It took me a very long time to realize how unimportant most things are and how important people can be. If she got a crummy mattress, it will be gone in a few years. I expect to leave my site up even if I can no longer keep it current. There is enough general advice and wisdom to help mattress shoppers for a number of years. Thank you again for your blessings. They are some- thing I can not get too many of.

      Marshall

  • Jackie Jensen says:

    Dear Mr. Coyle,
    First off, I hope your recovery is going well after your fall. I love your spirit and passion, at the age of 51, I’m thinking after reading your blog, I better get a serious passion for something that will occupy me after retirement. Your website is so appreciated! I filled out your survey this morning and just wanted to ask if you think it’s necessary to buy the mattress cover, particularly if I go with one of the the latex innerspring hybreds you recomend.
    Jackie

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Jackie,
      Regardless of your mattress purchase, unless you have no pets, never eat or drink in bed, never ever do anything on the bed that involves human or inhuman liquids, then you do not need a protective cover for your new mattress.

  • Cindy Holmes says:

    Good Morning, Mr. Coyle, I submitted a survey around the 25-26th of November, 2015. I have read much of your site and am leaning toward a Charles P. Rogers Powercore hybrid. My husband and I have talked and he is quite nervous about buying a mattress at that cost that we cannot lay on first. Is there something similar in feel to the Powercore that we could test locally? Perhaps it is one that doesn’t have the durability, or one that is costlier locally, but we would really like to test the sleeping surface feel. We both weigh over 200 lbs. I am hoping we can get some feedback before we have to make this choice. Thanks for all the information you provided that has kept my sanity and given me some direction in this process. Praying you are feeling better and healing soundly. Cindy

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Cindy,
      You will be receiving your worked-up survey in a day or two. It does have what you are looking for, some mattresses that feel similar to the Powercore and can be tested and purchased in local Macys stores at regular retail prices.
      Marshall Coyle .

  • Don says:

    Hi Marshall, I sent you a survey the other day, and left out the name of my current 15 year old mattress. I checked it last night and determined it’s a Serta Perfect Sleeper Van Buren model. Really enjoy and appreciate your site, and look forward to your input.

  • Sue Piedalue says:

    Hi Marshall,
    I found your blog a few weeks ago while looking for info on mattresses. I needed to replace a queen set and planned on visiting local stores the next day. After reading your blog, I knew I wanted only the Charles P Rogers Powercore 5000. The price was between 3 to 4x what I had ever paid for a mattress set previously. However I was convinced by your article this was what I wanted. The Consumer Report rating just reinforced my decision. I had planned on ordering one set and if it was what I hoped, I then was going to replace the other two sets in our home, as all were at the end of their life span. The shipping alone on one set was $175 to my location. I then decided to see if I could get two sets for same shipping. When all was said and done, I ordered all three sets, and shipping was free because the amount of my order. I was a little nervous as this was a huge expenditure for me, and if we did not like them–since we did not get to try them out–there I would be stuck with 3 very expensive (for me) sets. They all arrived yesterday, and I wanted to report that these are the nicest, most comfortable mattress sets I have ever had. I had ordered elsewhere 2 100% latex mattress pads to put on top of two of them, just in case some of us needed a little extra padding. I slept on one of the beds with the pad, and my husband tried out the bed without one, and we both loved the beds. I just wanted to let you know what a blessing it was finding your recommendation on a mattress set. Thank you so much.

  • Joe OLeska says:

    Mattress Survey #12-1834

    Good Morning, Marshall!

    Thank you so much for sharing all of your knowledge and insights into the confusing world of bedding! I am definitely going to purchase either:

    1. The Rogers Powercore Estate Latex Hybrid King Estate 9000 Luxury Plush. I have a quote of $2,879.
    2. The Rogers Powercore Estate Latex Hybrid King Estate 5000 Firm. I have a quote of $2,239.
    3. Macy’s Hotel Collection by Aireloom Vitagenic Latex Luxetop Luxury Firm HL King Mattress Set. This set is not included in their upcoming sale, so it seems the best price I can get for this set is about $6,192, with one year no interest financing.
    4. Macy’s Hotel Collection by Aireloom Vitagenic Gel Firm HG King Mattress Set. This set is included in their upcoming sale, and I can get this set for about $2,199 with one year no interest financing.

    With your help, I believe that I have found some quality choices, but I really am having a tough time deciding between the cost and financing tradeoffs. Can you help me put these in perspective? I am guessing that selecting the lower end models, I am giving up some comfort, but I am having a hard time evaluating those tradeoffs.

    Thank you so much, Marshall!
    Sincerely,

    Joe

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Joe,
      I do not seem to find your survey. Therefor, in it’s absence I have little to tell you. If you want to know which of these, or possibly other mattresses will serve you and a co-sleeper, you have to take the survey. Of the three mattresses, one is a ringer. The Vitagenic Gel is apparently the forerunner of what we are going to see with Kluft’s new ownership, the Flex SA company of Spain. A mass producer of cheap foam mattresses. And this one with it’s non-CertiPur Visco foam being described using the word cool in the same sentence is very telling. The other Kluft/Aireloom models are far better quality, just one level below any model Powercore. They are beautifully embroidered so that the high retail price, half of which goes to the store and half to Kluft, can be seen as perceived value, if it isn’t there, but the interiors use the best ordinary coils available. Similar coils available from at least 600 other Leggett and Platt customers, coil supplier to the US. Only for much lower prices. Many are equal or superior value, if not construction. Absent having your physical data in front of me, that is all I can help you with your difficult selection. If you do send in a survey, it will help if you simultaneously drop me an email. I have had to reduce my output owing to arthritis that is making typing painful, but I still can get a few out every day working slowly. I do not want to overlook your survey if it comes. And, I do appreciate your praise, but the real praise would be if you read enough of my poorly edited essays to actually spot the scam yourself.

      I am trying to get out enough information so that the need for people to write will almost vanish.

      Marshall Coyle

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Joe O,
      You have posted a request that I can not answer sensibly except very partially. It is disturbing that no matter how hard I try to communicate well, someone like you just does not “get it”. I have a “mission” that matches people with appropriate mattresses for their actual physical need and, when possible, with their budget. I do this with my short and effective 26 question survey. And, boy do I do my best to make sure that everyone who reads the OBG knows about it. If and when you send me a survey, please mention the above mattresses in one of the comment boxes and, of course, I will include them in my reply.

      From a quality standpoint, all of the above with the exception of #3 are good or even excellent for someone. #4 appears to be the first hint of the changes to come with Kluft/Aireloom’s new Spanish ownership. It is just another visco elastic, non CertiPur, one of hundreds of similar pocketed coil units on the marketplace. The major difference is that there are as good or better made at half or less of the “sale?” price. I take exception to the description of their visco memory foam as “cooling”. That is simply a lie. And like cockroaches, you rarely see only one. If I have made a type somewhere and said otherwise about this bottom feeder Aireloom, I would be grateful for anyone bringing it to my attention. I do often, find myself recommending some other Aireloom models in appropriate circumstances, but this one has me questioning myself. I hope that the mistake is not mine. You can borrow money for next to nothing on the internet or wherever you bank. You do not have to pay full retail or full phony sale price for the privilege of paying off over a period. Stores are not banks.

      I thank you for your compliments. I really try as hard as I can to discover and share information about genuine latex hybrids, and conversely, mattresses, such a blind item to you, identified as memory foam when it is called by something else. I do not think that Macy’s originated the copy that I find offensive. Flex SA has recently made a huge investment, and with tactics like this, and just one of me, already physically failing, they will prevail. Please do not push the buy button without running your survey past me.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Jenny says:

    Hi Marshall,
    I’ve thoroughly enjoyed reading your website, but I still need your help! I’ve done a bit of mattress shopping and am no closer to a decision than before I began. I thought for sure I would love the macys aireloom latex mattress that you recommended, but was really thrown off by how soft it was. Also, even on sale the price was a little high for a single girl with a modest income. Honestly though, if I had loved it, I would have bought it (on sale).
    I’m extremely interested in the St. Regis with gel and Latex, but was told that it is very firm. After testing the Aireloom “cushion firm” I’m not really sure what firm is anymore. I will say that when I got home after trying out beds I realize that my mattress is very, very firm (which is why I’m constantly adding memory foam toppers, then removing them because they are too hot!). So I guess the bottom line is that I”m looking for a medium firm soft supportive mattress that is not hot. Does such a thing exist? Is it the St. Regis?
    Best,
    Jenny

  • Charlie Long says:

    Am looking for a old type coil spring boxsprings.Not good on the computer.Please call me if you can. Thanks 386-740-8928 or 386-956-1859

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Charlie long, And I am no good on the telephone. So let’s hope you get this email. Your best possibility for finding an old-style coil boxspring is eBay. When I have searched in the past, there have been many. The biggest problem is that there really aren’t worth very much as bed springs but can cost hundreds of dollars to ship. For this reason, you might want to give Craigslist a chance as they are usually quite local. Except for aesthetics, I can’t imagine why you would want a worn-out hard to clean coil spring.

  • Fred Cipriano says:

    Greetings Marshall –

    Just a quick message to let you know about a small manufacturer of premium latex mattresses and latex hybrids. Arizona Mattress Co. aka mattresses.net has a very nice looking latex hybrid that I am tempted to try. Price is very reasonable at $1095 plus $83 shipping for the queen size.

    If you already know about this company, please forgive me for wasting your time.

    Fred

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      dear Fred Cipriano,

      I am not familiar enough with this company to render an opinion at this time. There are some really good latex hybrids that have come out recently a few hundred dollars less costly and with a really great latex. I am slowly returning to work aided by this dictation software and expect to look into both these new hybrids, and for your sake the Arizona mattress company. In any event, I do not recommend any mattress to any person who has not submitted a survey. They are currently closed, but should be open again by this Thursday or Friday. Do a survey and mention the same request that you put into this post. If you wish to communicate with me further please use email not these posts. Thank you.

      Marshall Coyle

  • David H says:

    Hi Marshall,
    I just wanted to send a brief email to thank you very much for all the helpful information you provide on your website. After following the steps on your site, I purchased the Powercore Estate 5000 mattress from Charles P. Rogers and I have been very pleased. I now get a good night’s sleep without the backaches caused by my old worn-out mattress!

  • John DeStefano says:

    Mr Coyle,
    God bless you for your dedication. Your shared knowledge and passion, in spite of adversity, is appreciated more that you can imagine. Thank you. If it is convenient for you to review, our family did complete and submit your Mattress Buyer’s Questionnaire today. We recently over-spent on a Tempur pedic Rhapsody Breeze, and after only 3 months, I cannot physically tolerate the bed. After reading your 103 and 203 posts, we have an idea of the direction you will lead us, but we do hope to hear your personal opinion based on our criteria. Again, thank you sir for all you do and you seem to be doing quite well with the dictation software! All the best, DeStefano’s

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear John DeStefano,

      I am slowly getting back into a routine of answering as many surveys as I can. As soon as I reach yours, I will do my best, as always, to help you and your family find the most suitable mattress for the needs that your survey shows.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Donnie Hale says:

    Can you describe the “latex gel” in the Charles P Rogers Powercore Estate 9000, which is the feature of that model that distinguishes it from the 7000? Even though it’s latex, anything called “gel” worries me from a responsiveness and heat perspective. So if the 7000 is “plush” enough, I wouldn’t mind saving some money by getting it vs. the 9000.

    Our 14 year old Original Mattress Factory mattress has been excellent, and it’s still in very good condition. But it’s time for to replace it, and I’ve found the latex comfort layer beds I’ve tried to be much more comfortable than the beds with comfort layers consisting of “a bunch of random foam.” Unfortunately, OMF doesn’t have an inner spring / latex comfort layer hybrid.

    Thanks for all the great information. It’s very helpful.

    Donnie

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Donnie Hale,

      The latex gel in question is a high quality Talalay latex that has a phase change gel swirled into it while it is still in the liquid stage. The gel’s function is to absorb any residual heat that may remain in the latex from the heat that your body radiates into it. My experience sleeping on it for two years is that the gel and/or its functions have little or no effect on how the mattress feels or sleeps. Natural latex is the coolest of all upholstery materials and I think that adding gel may have a benefit for people who live in non-air-conditioned environments, but for most of us, it is more about talk then function.

      Whether a mattress is pleasure plush enough for you going about it Your way is sure the hard way. The the easy way is to go to my website and fill out and send in your survey. I will compare the information that you choose to share with me, with my experience and wisdom as well as hands-on product knowledge, and suggest to you mattress or mattresses that are just right for you.

      all the best. Marshall Coyle

  • J. Kaplin says:

    I want to thank you for your advice a few months ago to purchase the Powercore Estate 9000. We thought that it might be “too much” bed at first and ordered a 7000 instead, but, after a few weeks, thought it a bit too hard for the side-sleeper in the couple. Charles P. Rogers was kind enough to provide us with a reasonable “comfort exchange” for a relatively small additional fee and the difference in price between the 7000 and the 9000, and we now are happily snoozing on the 9000.

    My only regret is that we did not follow your advice for our sleep styles in the first place. Thanks so much for your help.

    Julian Kaplin

  • thomas says:

    I have been sleeping on the nano2 for 2 weeks and it feels very hard. I searched all over the internet and found no negative reviews for this, which felt a little fishy. Went ahead and ordered it anyway. Now I’m stuck with a no good bed.

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Thomas, I looked and looked and could not find where I had advised you to buy any particular mattress. If you had send in a survey, it is more than likely that you would’ve been happy in the first place. That is what the old bed guy is all about. nevertheless, you did by from a very reputable company, and I have never heard where they have been unwilling or unable to take another attempt at making you comfortable. So instead of griping to me who can’t help you at this point, you already missed your chance, the sensible thing to do is to contact the manufacturer and work out something to both of your satisfactions. You might want to simultaneously send in a survey to me so that I could recommend a particular mattress or particular company that would be more to your specific needs.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Lisa says:

    Hi Mr. Coyle,
    I hope therapy is going well for you! I have been working in rehab as a PT for almost 30 years and love it! I am in the market for replacing our queen mattress and for my son whi is 10 years old. I have a claim in to Sealy as I spent $500 for his when he was 5 years old and it is collapsed in the middle. I had done research and it was a firm mattress. My question is, I had sent a survey in last week when the survey was off so I wasn’t sure whether I had to resubmit. Also, for my son, do I submit an additional one? We just had a Mattress Warehouse open in town and I thought I would be able to shop for mattresses there. I felt like I was at a car dealership and the salesman was clearly not knowledgable and I walked out. I stumbled on your website and I definitely will wait for your advice. We did see an Aireloom mattress (Atlantic Dream-plush) that felt like a cloud. I have a pillow top King Koil we have had for 10 years that has been wonderful, but is filled with my husband’s body impressions. Looking forward to talking with you! Lisa

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      dear Lisa,

      Why don’t you send in a brand-new survey? I just redid a few of the questions so as to be able to be more precise in understanding your need. it’s going to take you a half an hour so, but will be time very well spent. I have been feeling slowly better and better and finding time and energy to answer almost every survey. Please excuse the sloppy typing and or spelling and/or punctuation as I am using dictation software to replace my lost finger dexterity. Aireloom makes some very comfortable mattresses, however I have problems identifying them as they give the same mattress a panoply of names attempting to minimize price competition between their dealers. I am going to assume that you saw the Atlantic dream plush at mattress warehouse, but would like you in one of the notes section of the survey to identify the store specifically.

      Do not send in a separate survey for your son. Just make a note in one of the numerous comments boxes. it is important to tell me what you are going to put the child’s mattress on if you already know.. If you need any guidance with the children’s furniture, I can probably help quite a bit as children’s furniture stores were part of my portfolio. I am hung up on avoiding engineered wood in children’s bedroom furniture. You can find all essay about it on the oldbedguy blog. This is because furniture from Pottery Barn kids and similar are made from glued up boards, and of course the glue is almost always formaldehyde based. This is avoidable should be avoided if possible.

      Marshall Coyle

  • Debbie & Skip Hockmabn says:

    Good Morning dear Mr. Marshall,
    My husband and I completed your survey 3 weeks ago on January 3rd. We certainly understand how time consuming learning a new technology with a dictation process can be. We visited Nebraska Mart in Dallas and saw a pricey Airloom mattress. Our salesman indicated that Kluft mattresses are no longer made and have been sold to Airloom. The Airloom mattress has a very thin single layer of latex foam. It does not seem to meet your criteria. If you do have a chance to review our survey, we would be most gratified to get your reply. We are anxious to obtain a new mattress.
    Thank you Sir1

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Debbie and Skip,

      It doesn’t give me any pleasure to knock the integrity of the salesman who either was ignorant or chose his words to steer you towards something that eventually would put more commission in his pocket. I knew Rose Blum,the founder who ran it until she hit 100 years old, way back when Nebraska furniture Mart was one store and Warren Buffett had not built the kind of fortune that permitted him to buy the largest one unit furniture store in the world from her. Seems like yesterday but was probably 30 years ago. The Nebraska furniture Mart that I know was really a wonderful place to shop because there was just plain fair dealing and an immense selection. at least they still have huge selections, but the actual truth is that kluft is very much in business than in a expansion mode. Kluft bought Aireloom around 10 years ago and uses it as a slightly lower priced line for markets that cannot easily afford Kluft. most are made in the same factories by the same workers, and and some components are shared. Both brands are capable of making very high quality merchandise. So, last year ViSpring, a very high-end English mattress company that makes sets itself for up to $125,000, bought the Kluft company. and this year, Flex SA, the largest mattress manufacturer in Europe, headquartered in Spain, bought ViSpring. Flex makes mostly low and middle end mattresses and lots of money.

      Obviously, to me, the salesperson has no incentive to sell you Airloom, and to that end knocked it. May be a store policy because Airloom is in a state of flux with all the new ownership and things might have gotten confusing. Aireloom Makes multilayered latex mattresses by the thousands for Macy’s and Bloomingdale’s and when you finally get an answer to your survey from me, I will give you links to these mattresses as I do for most of my correspondents. they can be very worthwhile. mattress commissions can range to 10% or higher and your salesperson was looking at a nice few hundred dollars if he or she could convince you. for lots of people, that’s worth bending the truth a little bit, and they call them salespeople.

      Back to your needs, there is no way I can dig out the old survey, and I have just redone the survey to make it much more efficient and have opened the survey window on my website. please do two things. First fill out the survey, second send me an email using the identical address that you use on the survey with day and time you sent survey in. I will seek it out and put it on top of the to-do pile. You will notice lots of space for your comments. the more you tell me about what you want and/or need, the better I can help you.

      Please forgive the typos and spelling. This is worse than normal but is the best I can do under the circumstances.

  • Charlene Forester says:

    Good Afternoon Mr. Marshall,
    I am writing in hopes that you are well enough to answer. I have sent in two survey’s, one this last summer, and again about two weeks ago. I understand falling and injuries having done it many times myself. We are in need of a new bed now that our new home is coming to completion. I have read everything you have written and felt comfortable about purchasing the Nano2. I would like to get your opinion for the Nano2 mattress. One of your previous posters (Mr. Thomas) was not happy with his purchase. We are a mixed bag of lightweights, our BMI’s are 21 (H) and 17 (Me). Husband age 68 prefect health, sleeps like a rock, and 58 many bones issues. Any help you might offer would be greatly appreciated……from the Deep South, LA Gulf Coast area. Charlene

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      dear Charlene,
      you’re entitled to an apology for sending in two surveys that have fallen through the cracks during the period when I was most ill. I am now able to keep current with all new surveys coming in by using dictation software to replace my arthritis frozen fingers. I cannot and do not make one on one recommendations in the absence of a survey. I would be grateful if you gave it one more chance and sent me an email as soon as you post survey. You will get a reply within 48 hours, and I will include the information you are requesting about the mattresses that Mrs. Coyle and I now sleep on. Your BMI is exceptionally low, but that is not a problem, just an opportunity. When I see all of the facts and figures, will find you the most sensible possible mattress for not just you, but also your husband.. I can only find surveys by date and time, not by name, that is why I need the email.

      Marshall Coyle

  • sandra says:

    Hi Mr Coyle –
    Trust you’re feeling well. I filled out a survey yesterday and have an additional question. Can you please explain the difference between the Powercore Estate Nano2 and the Powercore Estate 9000 Luxury Plush. Not the manufacturing process but in your opinion how they feel different? Do you think that the Nano2 long term wear will be similar to the 9000? Thank you!

    • Marshall Coyle says:

      Dear Sandra,

      The 9000 feels like a very high end typical pocketed coil innerspring mattress with is close to zero pressure as you are likely to find on any mattress. For two or three times the cost, you can find Kluft, and other hand assembled mattresses with somewhat similar feelings. Never could be exactly the same as only a Powercore feels like a Powercore. The NANO2 has the exact same support, but the topmost latex layer simultaneously feels softer and at the same time actually does a better job of helping the sleeper move or sit up. The comfort coils, or 5000 of them, do a better job of storing energy and releasing it when needed, then does latex. Since these coils are made in-house on the same unique computer controlled coil winding machinery as the Powercore, I would imagine that they are good for as many decades as the larger Powercore Springs that use the same or similar high alloy recycled local steel.
      Marshall Coyle

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